October 19, 2026
What Is Turtle Island — And Does It Have Any Legal Standing?
With Allan and Corri Hunsperger · Guest: Leighton Grey
What exactly is “Turtle Island,” and what does it mean for Canada? Lawyer and commentator Leighton Grey returns to Talk Truth to examine the Indigenous concept of Turtle Island, its cultural significance and his argument that it has no independent legal standing under Canadian law. Grey challenges prevailing narratives about Indigenous and European history, discusses the residential school system and questions how governments, activists and churches approach truth and reconciliation. Allan and Corri also raise questions about reserve lands, Alberta independence and a church congregation asked to participate in a reconciliation reading. Grey explains why he believes reconciliation must involve historical truth, equal human dignity, repentance and forgiveness rather than collective guilt.
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In this episode
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- 00:00 Introduction
- 02:59 Guest comes in: Leighton Grey
- 03:40 What is Turtle Island?
- 04:47 Does Turtle Island have legal standing in Canada?
- 05:25 Grey challenges historical narratives
- 06:33 Violence and conflict in pre-contact societies
- 08:58 Christianity and the idea of the “noble savage”
- 10:06 Grey's criticism of reconciliation narratives
- 12:11 What does true reconciliation require?
- 13:12 Allan asks about the reserve system
- 15:27 Alberta independence and Indigenous land rights
- 17:08 Grey discusses residential schools
- 18:59 Land acknowledgments and the role of faith
- 19:30 Should churches participate in reconciliation readings?
- 22:10 Grey responds to the church's statement
- 23:45 Loving your neighbour and overcoming division
- 25:19 Allan asks about biblical reconciliation
- 25:58 Christianity, repentance and forgiveness
- 27:27 Final thoughts
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