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October 19, 2026

What Is Turtle Island — And Does It Have Any Legal Standing?

With Allan and Corri Hunsperger · Guest: Leighton Grey

What exactly is “Turtle Island,” and what does it mean for Canada? Lawyer and commentator Leighton Grey returns to Talk Truth to examine the Indigenous concept of Turtle Island, its cultural significance and his argument that it has no independent legal standing under Canadian law. Grey challenges prevailing narratives about Indigenous and European history, discusses the residential school system and questions how governments, activists and churches approach truth and reconciliation. Allan and Corri also raise questions about reserve lands, Alberta independence and a church congregation asked to participate in a reconciliation reading. Grey explains why he believes reconciliation must involve historical truth, equal human dignity, repentance and forgiveness rather than collective guilt.

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  1. 00:00 Introduction
  2. 02:59 Guest comes in: Leighton Grey
  3. 03:40 What is Turtle Island?
  4. 04:47 Does Turtle Island have legal standing in Canada?
  5. 05:25 Grey challenges historical narratives
  6. 06:33 Violence and conflict in pre-contact societies
  7. 08:58 Christianity and the idea of the “noble savage”
  8. 10:06 Grey's criticism of reconciliation narratives
  9. 12:11 What does true reconciliation require?
  10. 13:12 Allan asks about the reserve system
  11. 15:27 Alberta independence and Indigenous land rights
  12. 17:08 Grey discusses residential schools
  13. 18:59 Land acknowledgments and the role of faith
  14. 19:30 Should churches participate in reconciliation readings?
  15. 22:10 Grey responds to the church's statement
  16. 23:45 Loving your neighbour and overcoming division
  17. 25:19 Allan asks about biblical reconciliation
  18. 25:58 Christianity, repentance and forgiveness
  19. 27:27 Final thoughts

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